Ep. 103: Brat Energy: We Asked, She Spits the Facts

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All right, Lauren, here we are once again. How are you? I'm good. Yeah.

Something happened at the latest event that we had. We had met someone. Now in particular, I had met someone and I had met, yeah, I had met a human being that was a little frightened, a little scared, like a little. kitten in a corner.

So I had gone over to this person because I was told by somebody else, a friend of hers that look, this person might not feel super comfortable here. She's not really a party person. She's not really a person that does well in crowds. Um, she's usually in bed by now.

And I thought this sounds like a person after my own heart. I also hate people. I'm also in bed by now. Hold my beer, yeah, so I go over there I start talking to her.

This person oddly enough wound up inspiring me to not only hit you, hurt you, degrade you, spit on you. That's how inspiring she was. Oh, little kittens, how they can be so, I mean, when you look at this person, you're like, wow, she's really hot, which is actually not what struck me at first. After you start to look at her and then you hear, Oh, this bitch is kinky as shit.

It just does not fit the outer shell. It was fascinating to me in so many ways. Anyway, we both wound up, I know my email went off and you heard. And I can see, I can see you getting angry already.

Um, so anyway, we wound up befriending her and her husband, and we wound up talking to them in a group and whatnot, whatever, and I wound up exploring. But the more I started talking about it, I'll turn off the computer. I promise I will. The more I started talking about it, the more turned on I was getting right and interested.

Yeah, I dropped the hint to you, but it takes. It takes a little kitten to make it more, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, uh, we wanted to reach out to her. So we have her on the line and we wanted to talk to her.

Let's do it. Yeah, and we're gonna, we're going to talk to her. But first, we just have to get some things out of the way really quick. So just bear with us.

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Yeah, I didn't mean to doubt. I overreacted and I'm, I'm sorry and I'm embarrassed, quite frankly. You are right. Like always, Richard.

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She is also there, I believe, with her husband Steve, who's just sitting. I don't think he's going to talk. I don't know how to start this. Well, why don't, why don't I just start by telling you my story?

I'll tell you my story. Is that fair? When we met you, lady, we didn't really know a lot about you, right? So just looking at you physically, the last thing that I would have thought would be that you were some sort of crazy dominatrix lady.

That's, that's the last thing that I would have thought. You were walking around with a whip and a leash and a nail gun and spitting on people. I don't even know if that's the role she plays. That's not me.

I am not that. Well, tell me what it, tell me what it is. She's a complete other side of it, getting, getting to know. Thank you, Lauren.

Oh Lord, I barely know anything about it because it's given me blips, but it's like that is not the role she plays. But you're in that world. Yes, yes, I have been, and I, I don't currently orbit that world, but I have been in that world. Yes.

Did you, is that? A world that you can get kicked out of for bad behavior. Yeah, you can absolutely, absolutely. Did you get kicked out for bad?

You kind of look like, you kind of look like the type. You would get kicked out, really. I look like the type a little bit. Have you met my husband?

Him too. So what? All right, this is my first question. Just give me an example really now.

Look, I'm too excited, so I'm getting ahead of myself, OK. All right, so what was the first thing that brought you into, into that world? Was it something that you were always into just a little bit and then you're like, I'm going to take it? No.

Do you remember why you took a step there? Because Steve asked me to. Was Steve always into it? Steve was into it for quite a while.

He's the one who brought me into it. I had read those stupid gray books, 50 Shades of Grey. Everybody was turned on by those at the time. And then I met Steven, he had sort of embodied that character.

He's got a picture frame. It's now in our garage, but it drops. It's a false frame and it drops, and he's got all of his kinky toys in there, the pinwheels and the straps and the whips and the chains and the feathers and all of the things. So he's, he's been doing it since he was a child.

Highly likely. So he had a weird childhood. So, so, so he knew what he was doing. That's so awesome and he brought you into that world, but it's in him like he's, he was good at it.

Unlike me. Does he still enjoy it even though you're like, he does. He has had permission in the past to do it with an approved certain partners, not with everybody, not everybody gets. The green light.

But with some, yes, especially if I'm interested in her interest, and I feel like she deserves to have that experience and can do it with a trusted person. It really depends on how much I love that partner of his. You described yourself as a brat, which was a word that I'd never heard of before. OK.

Are you asking a question? or are you making a statement here? What does that mean? See, Lauren didn't know either.

No, I do know. I was asking Kim. Yes, so a brat is, is exactly what it sounds like, a brat. I will try.

I'm submissive, right? So in the world of BDSM, I'm considered submissive. I prefer to be dominated in the right situation with the right people, but I will talk shit to my Dom the entire time until he figures out a way to get me to shut the fuck up. So you're not hitting me hard enough.

Is that? All that you have, this is really boring. You need to do better. Those kinds of things during the session, which there's not a lot of brat tamers out there.

When you find a brat tamer, it can be really fun. But that's the, those are the opposing forces. You have the brat, you have the brat tamer, and Steve is a brat tamer. So he and I used to have a ton.

Yes, yeah, we used to have a lot of fun. Oh wow. This is so interesting. I didn't know there was a tamer.

I didn't. I just thought it was like, Quick question, in that world, does he wear a top hat and a cape? If I asked, but no, he wouldn't. He would if we asked him to.

He would. OK, I'm just saying like a lion tamer, is that what you're getting at? Oh Jesus, I'm just saying stay on theme. Oh no.

Does he have a name in the dum you have to address me as? No, no, we don't get that serious. I think the most he makes me call him his daddy. And then I, and then, you know, give me the candy comb.

Daddy, I want your candy comb is a thing that we say frequently stealing that. Oh my God, now I feel turned on and I can't have sex for like 2.5 or 3 weeks. It will be however long I say it is. Are you counting's a switch right now.

I just learned that today. Is he in leather chaps and like a, a village people hat? Like, does he do anything? Nothing?

No, the sexiest thing I've ever seen him in before playing. Oh my gosh, I remember it like it was yesterday. I went over to his house and he had made dinner and he was just in linen. And like he had like the V and like the muscles and the whole.

And you just knew, like it's like do whatever you want. I'm out. Like, that was the beginning of our relationship. Now I'm lucky if he takes his socks off.

I love that so much. Which is, I love him enough that I will absolutely take him with socks on or off. I am gonna talk shit to him beforehand though, and probably during and also after. Do you want Steve's candy?

Steve's Steve's candy come. Candy come. You have to say it as an alliteration. That's the candy card.

Do you want Steve's candy come? It's, well then maybe he should be Daddy's candy cup. Do you want Daddy's candy come? Yes, you see, do you see Lauren gets it.

Oh my God, it's so hot. It's so hot. Daddy's candy. I can't.

Oh, my. You have to make sure you have pigtails on when he asks you. What am I going to do with that? You have to start growing your hair out now, Christine.

I can't do that. Well, figure out something, Lauren, for God's sake. I have to have a wig with pigtails, something. Figure it out.

So this is what happens in my mind. I always start thinking about it. I always start thinking about it like, oh, that's so hot. Like you start describing it.

I'm like, that's so hot. I start getting turned on and I. I already told you this. Also, Lauren loves being submissive.

She likes all of the things. She likes the degrading. She likes the rape fantasy. She likes all that stuff.

She, however, has a partner who is an utter pussy. So it's not that you're a pussy. This stuff takes practice. It's like it's like learning a skill.

So don't put yourself down just because you're not like you listened to this podcast. It's the most self-deprecating podcast I've ever heard-deprecating was what the S stood for in BDSM. He'd be nailed, nailed it. But, but that's so common among a lot of partners.

A lot of men, um, are, are super not comfortable. With what Lauren and I are into. And so it's any kind of relationship that is going to go into the realm of obedience and has to establish a layer of trust that, number one, I'm telling you it's OK. And I promise it's OK, and you have to trust me, that it's OK, and vice versa, that they're not gonna.

Are you raising your hand. See how submissive I am. I would don the fuck out of you, Rich for one person, I would. I mean this is what would happen.

I would switch for you is I, we would be in the situation. You would start playing a brat role, and before you know it, I would be in cuffs and blindfolded and getting pegged. That's what would, that's what would happen. But, sometimes you just have to go with the flow.

You don't, you don't have to put labels on any of this. Just let it happen. All right, so answer this question for me because this is something that always sticks in my mind. When you do find somebody who is good at it, right, who's just a good, good at what they do, like, uh, you know, Tom Cruise is good at what he does.

He's great at what he does, but also sometimes. You just go into a fast food restaurant, you just get your food really fast and with a smile, and it could be a job like that. And you're just like, you know what, he's good at what he does. Good for him or her.

You're not sexist. So when you find that person, which is another question I have when you just brought up her, I'm ahead of myself. I have 19,000 questions. When you find that guy that is good at it, do they, in, in the real world, do they have a specific personality type that you find?

Like, is it usually this type of guy, that type of guy usually makes a good Dom. I feel like one, you're giving me more credit than is due, because I don't, my experience with this is with Steve and then with my family in Phoenix, I have a dominatrix family there, one of my best friends. This is not something I go out into the world and seek out. I, I think you would be shocked, because there isn't a.

Personality type that fits that particular role. I'm already shocked. So go ahead, Lauren. I picture the Dom is, is the lanky guy.

He looks like he was maybe in Metallica or maybe just at the concert and he's got the long stringy hair. It seems like every Dom porn that I find in, you know, like the not official porn, whatever that homemade porn, he always looks like that guy. I don't know if I've. That's why I've never ventured.

I'm like, I don't really know if I'd sign up for a Metallica guy. No, no. So there's a really, the community that I have been most comfortable with that we met in Vegas is actually from LA. And that that's where the Dungeon Master is that I did my one session with that wasn't Steve.

There's a level of professionalism and seriousness that goes into. To anything like that. So I would proceed with caution if it's the Metallica guy, but they should be asking a series of questions and, and going through like a checklist of things before you ever agree to go to any, it can. Yeah, it's scary.

It can be really scary. I have a question, and I'm going to get a lot of letters for this. And it's great that Mexico doesn't have mail. Aesthetic.

When I poke my head into this world, and usually that's what I do, I'm just poking my head into that room and I get that look like, oh, I think I'm in the wrong room, but I'm actually just checking everything out. That's how I usually view the dungeon. Yeah, that's how I usually view is the bathroom down here? Oh, like at a club.

OK, yeah, I'm just. Looking just browsing. We call that you being a voyeur. I'm not, I'm OK.

I'm not. I'm just, he's looking for the restroom. He already told you that you are a brat, right? I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. No, I'm just nosy. You want to see what's happening in the dungeon. I just want to check it out now, and this is why I ask this question.

You are stunningly beautiful. And more often than not, when I see these people, a lot of them look like they've been hit by a truck. A lot of them, a lot of them are on the other side of the spectrum, a different type of person. Do you get a different reaction specifically because of the way you look?

And you walk in there dripping in leather with a ball gag on. I love that you've pictured me in this scenario. That's never OK, yes. No, I don't know.

I don't pay attention to what other people are doing when I walk into that space. Well, she also said that no, she probably is very honest with this because when you're getting ready for that, you're You're training, you're, you're going into a mindset because that's where the turn on is. So you're not really like caring really what other people are thinking. You're going inside of yourself.

Am I right? Yeah, you're totally right. It's almost a, I don't know, I don't know. Is it almost a sensory deprivation?

You're kind of waiting to be told what to do. You're letting go of control. Like, when I go into those spaces, and really my experience is mostly with Steve, I can let go of everything and just trust him to take charge. And do what I want him to do.

I don't do a lot of scenes in public. The ones that I've done at, you know, a party or an orgy, wind up in a really awkward scenario after the fact with people thinking that they can do those things when they actually can't. So it's been a little bit more private of a space, just me and Steve or at House of Black in San Diego, but that's a very safe space, not unlike your events. So, do I have permission to go get a cup?

I'm still listening. I just need a cup. He's going to cry. You might as well bring a tampon and some Kleenex back.

All right, I'm back. Look at how fast that was. That was I wasn't even done. Good girl.

Did I do that right? You did OK. You did all right. Does this make you multiple orgasm?

Yes, it can. That was a question of filled with envy. That's what that was. Wait, do you not multiple orgasm?

I mean, if I'm on drugs, sometimes, but it's really hard for me. I feel like I taught myself this in my singlehood. Like I made it a goal when I was single to see how many times I could make myself come. How did you start that journey?

Well, it was just me and my, like, did you have a regimen? No, it was just like, how many did we get through today? Can we one up that tomorrow? Or in 5 minutes?

Wait, let me see how I'm feeling. Let's try it again. But were you, were you always an easy comer? No.

So how did you overcome that? Practice. It was just kind of practice and being by myself. I mean, I was truly single.

There wasn't another person in my life. So I had all the time in the world to play. And so I did. And so I did.

I'm a little turned on. Have you guys taken the BDSM test? Can you, can you give it to us now? Yes, it.

You need to take the online test and then we need to see your results. Hey baby, do you, do you remember the test that you had me take when we first met? Steve is going to find it. He's going to send it into the chat.

I would be so curious where you guys fall on the spectrum of BDSM. I'm majorly on the spectrum. It's going to bring up stuff like, are you a rope bunny? Are you a Are you a brat teamer?

Are you? Oh, there's so many fun. There's so many fun categories. You could do a series really on this stuff, and we could explore it together and create scenes.

And there's blood play. I mean, we could get into some of that. Hold on. There's a whole podcast on that.

Lauren, Lauren scares me because she likes blood. I don't know why that doesn't surprise me. I don't like blood. I don't either, but it surprised me when a man got cut in a penthouse and Lauren was like.

Yeah, he was a surgeon and I was like, cut yourself. She said, because she's a fuck. Hold on, I can see your reaction and I'm with you, sister. And she said, Cut yourself.

And he did, and he did. And then like years later they kept coming back to desire and he was like, I still have a scar from when, and I'm a surgeon. And he's like, and I have a scar on my hand. OK, that's pretty hot.

That's hot. I would never ask for that, but I'm not going to shame that because I do understand. Oh my God, he sent it. He did.

Who's asking who's being the leader? I think she has to ask. OK. You have to be the, the, the teacher, the teacher master.

A few moments later. There we go. There's your results. All right.

I, what are you? Do you want to go first? I'm still catching up. Oh my God.

Wait, how do you get your result? I know, but now I'm on a chart. Yeah, that's the chart. That's the result.

What's at the top? It's like a code. No, you're 99% submissive. Oh, I thought that was the same chart for everyone, and you had to put in, OK, I get it.

No, yours is special. Yours is special to your responses. You are, your top three are submissive, degrading, rope bunny, bunny, and you're a rigger, so that's a perfect match and a masochist. You are 66% brat.

You are not a degrader, but degrader is 3rd on my list. Um, that checks out. I am exhibitionist warrior number 1 and number 2. That checks out.

It kind of checks out. Daddy mommy, 59% daddy mommy, Richard. Well, I told you this already. We come on, yeah, I told you this already.

Suck Daddy's cock. Yeah. All right, can I go back to something you said that you like to wake up to bruises, and so, and then you also said, once I got a black eye. What happened?

In that situation where you got a black eye. So he was slapping me across the face. And I think I just turned my head at the appropriate time as his hand was coming down and he clocked me right in the corner of my eye and bursted some of the blood vessels. And I told my, I told my kids I got hit in the face.

I said, I got hit in the face with a tetherball. Steven cracked me right in the face, just in the. Slapping. And then when that happened, did you say your safe word or did you just power through it?

Pretty sure I powered through that one. Did, uh, did, did he just, did he pause for a second like, oh God, that was a bit much. Yeah, yeah. And then I'm like, keep going.

We're not done. Wow. Do you get like inebriated or do you like to do it sober? That is such a good question.

We have not partaken at that level. Since I have been sober. So I don't know. I am definitely not as into it as I was when I was drinking, for sure.

Do you miss anything about it? I miss kind of just sort of the letting go and letting the control, like giving Steve all of the control and letting him have his way with me. You know, not having to make the decisions and the choices and all of that is nice to be free from. I don't know where you guys met, but like, do you miss your community of people in a cave?

No, I miss the people very much. I don't necessarily miss the, the BDSM part of things all the time. It's just not where my journey has taken me at this point. Will it come back?

Maybe. When you're having just regular sex, let's just say with a stranger on the street like. Is it, is it something that you want incorporated into that sex? Absolutely not.

Absolutely not. It is not. That's separate. Yeah, so any BDSM stuff is truly reserved for Steve.

He is the person that I trust the most in that most vulnerable space. That is not something that I engage with on a stranger. Basis at all, ever. So that is truly stranger danger.

Like I've never heard anything more than stranger danger, because I would be like, tie my hands down, that's fine, or choke me. That's great. The choke me part can get really scary, right? Because there's a technique to choking where you're not actually making somebody pass out or die.

And not everybody knows how to do that, or they really want to hurt you, right? Like, that's not a strange, that's a stranger danger. No go. I have to have a conversation.

We need to discuss safe words. We need to discuss what the aftercare is like. There's a whole layer of things that have to happen. How long did it take you to come up with?

Safe word. Oh, it didn't take long at all. It's the only one that made any sense, honestly. Would you like to share what that is?

It doesn't make any sense to me. I don't understand why it doesn't make any sense to you. He didn't share with you what my safe word is. No, I did.

I did. I just want you to say it out loud. Sure, it's weight. Listen, because it's a safe word.

It means that I explained this to you, Richard. It's a safe word. I, I want you to wait. If I am telling you no, yes, stop it, oh my God, none of that is real.

If I say wait, it means I need a second to evaluate whether or not I want to continue this, and it's highly likely that I do want to. Continue it, which is why like pineapple to me is a hard stop. I never want a hard stop. I need to have time to analyze the situation to determine if this is something I want to continue or not.

And if the wait turns into a no, it's like a quick slip and slag. You're out. We're going to start over. We may not come back to this.

After I thought about it. And I, I ran it through my head. Then it did make sense because if weight means weight can mean stop, full stop. So at first I was like, well, that doesn't work because then you're just like wait and it's like, wait, wait, or just wait, right?

But then you go, no, it's just wait. And then, and then you're waiting right now and then you go, no, we're really fucking done. We're still in wait and I'm fucking out. Here.

Right. It gives me the chance. It's like I said, I'll try anything twice. And I genuinely mean that, because I may not like it right now.

I might like it five seconds from now. I need to sit with where this is landing in my body, and then I can tell you what I want you to do next. But I have to have the pause to make the best choice. Has there, is there ever in this world, is there ever a woman that dominates another woman?

Absolutely. Oh my gosh, that's a fan. I don't have fantasies very often, but that is a fantasy that sticks out to me because my friend who is a dominatrix, beautiful, what is she, like, 6'2, just this nice, lovely woman. She's a dominatrix, and when I first met her, I sat on her lap and I said, I really, really, really just want you to put me on a leash and drag me around.

Like, will you please stop me? Absolutely, it's a thing. You never got to do that. We never did do that.

No, you wouldn't want to drag Lauren around on a leash. You would rather be dragged around on a leash. I, I will do whatever the two of you ask me to do. So if Lauren wants me to drag her around on a leash, I, I will do that.

I gotta be honest, I've seen her do it to Machacho, and she's, I've seen her do it to Machacho too. She's pretty loving. So I don't know how, how excited you would get. It's a, it's a pretty loving process, and she'll show you where the monkeys are.

That sounds lovely. Yeah, yeah, she'll, she'll get a lot into nature. You will get some pee play in there if you want, uh, the golden shower. We have the water pills.

I think that we've shared that with you. You will, you will get to pee on stuff. It will be a whole experience for you if you want it. I just, for what, I wish I could see how you see me in your head because but I don't want to be peed on and I don't want to pee on people.

It's It's a conundrum in my head. It's like I'm meeting you and seeing you, and then it's this almost like a character that lived in a book somewhere. Oh yeah, I can see that. Do you understand?

Do you understand what I'm saying, right? So I have this thirst for that particular thing because I know I was rapid firing questions at you, which is very unlike me. I'm like, I'm trying to bring this character. to life to try to figure out, I want to know more.

I really want to know more. But to be honest with you, I can't. I don't even picture Steve in there as well. It's, it's hard.

We should send some of our older photos over to give you a better feel for, for who we have been. It's not necessarily who we are now. He will still tie me up. We do mess in Shabari, which we're getting back into now.

Um, and that stuff is fun and sexy and case in point, any knot that needs to be tied in the house, I have to have Lauren do it. That does not surprise me at all. So anything that needs to be tied up, I'm like, tie the knot because she's a better knot tier. But also her dad was in the navy and he was really good at knots.

Part of my inherited genetic trait. Well, it's like something we taught us. No, he taught her knots. My dad was, my dad was in the army and all I got was fake war stories.

No knots. I got nothing out of it. All right, so just really to, to finish this up and to, to just to close up my, my little conversation, is there any new and evolving kink that is starting to seep into your life now that's replacing this one? I, I feel like the butt stuff is really right now, in and out like watching anal participating in anal.

I would like to peg Steve someday. I don't know if that will ever happen, um. He's so not paying attention to anything I'm saying, but butt stuff lately, which is odd. That's not, that's not usually a thing, and I won't even be inebriated.

It's just is like I feel like somebody needs to play with my butt hole or I need to play with somebody's butthole like immediately. You can peg, you can peg me if you'd like. Yeah, you should peg Richard. I'll fly in.

Say when. OK, I'll do it for the team. Um, I think it's so hot. I still have so many questions for you.

I just, I, I don't, for both of you. You do know I don't work. I'm not employed, so you can zoom me anytime. I know, I know.

I don't. I use you to avoid my work that doesn't pay me. I don't a win-win for me. Take that home, chew on it, get back to me.

Thank you so much for spending all this time with us. OK, so what we just did, now this, this is a 3-part series, obviously 3 acts. So what we did is after we hung out with, uh, Haley, she once again inspired us. She's very inspiring.

We went upstairs and we did stuff. Now we're gonna save that for later. We're gonna see how he did. We did some BDSM stuff.

We tried some things out. It was so nice. Well, we'll see. We'll see.

We're gonna we're gonna get, we're gonna get her opinion. We're gonna walk her through the step by step. I don't know if she, she's happy that we're gonna call, but uh. Um, she knows that we're going to take her up on it.

She said she wasn't busy, so we'll see, we'll see. But I will say this while we have just a moment, but one of the things that is really helping us is cush cube. I mean, this is now the 2nd or 3rd time that is giving you the most powerful orgasms that you've had in a really long time. I don't understand.

It's crazy. Like that's why I'm like, um, if you're not trying these, please take the Lauren challenge. I swear to you. This is not a joke.

Go get Cus cube. Where do they go to get this magic THC gummy? Uh, I'll put it in the show notes, but you can always go to King Bee Distribution, use our code room 77 at checkout and save 10%. Please just try something.

If you're not sure what to do, either message me or take the product quiz. Which one did you take again? The 15, but the second time I took a half of it. So it was half of the orgasm.

Do you think just on only half of my, do you want to take 30 and see what happens? Do you think you'll score it? Oh my God, we could try it. I, I just think it's worth saying we believe in it.

So go out there and get it now. Let's get in touch with Haley, who also, I believe, does the Kush cube. Big fan. Let's get her on the line and talk about our disgusting adventures and all the things that I did right.

All right, Lauren, we're back with, with our new, uh, co-host Haley. What we did is we, we called her back. Why? Because she's unemployed.

She said she was available, so we're gonna test her out. She has nothing but time, isn't that right? Say hi again, Haley. Hi again.

Yeah, you sound super excited to be here and This is what we wanted to tell you after we spoke last, which we didn't, that was actually supposed to be a pre-interview, but we recorded it anyway, and we thought, you know, it's good enough. And this is what happened after that. You encouraged us so much with your wisdom and your advice and your stories, your confidence about it, your confidence. This is a good one.

And so what we did is we're like, let's go upstairs tonight and beat the shit out of you, Lauren. Let's just try to do that because that's what Haley would do, right? You never know what you don't know. Exactly.

Now this is where we want your help, and like we, I mean, I, I go up there and I say, Well, we're gonna do a little bit of this session, Lauren, we're gonna rough you up. I'm talking like a mobster. Now you had brought up Shabari, right, so I know that we have Shabari rope. So I'm like, the first thing I'm gonna do is I'm gonna tie this bitch up.

I don't know what I'm doing in like the nicest, most lovingest. Oh my gosh, that was so sweet while I was tying her up, and I, I believe we sent you a photo of this, correct? You did, right, right, and it looked to me, it looked amazing, yeah, like super professional. Yeah, it was beautiful.

Yeah, yeah, but every time I was wrapping the ropes around her wrist, I kept saying oopsie, because out loud, out loud. He said that out loud. Yes, and I was like, babe, don't stop. You just stop and just keep going with it.

It's fine. Is oopsie a word? Is that a word that's used a lot in the BDSM world? Listen.

I can't speak once again for the whole BDSM community, and I'm sure that that is probably a very, a relatively well used term, especially in the DDLG dynamic. Um, I have never personally experienced that. Hold on, please. Oh my God, it's the accountant.

Oh my God. Do you want to answer it? Go to wherever he lives. Take that phone and.

I love my time with you too. Uh, what was I talking about so I don't have to rewind. No, but you said a D D D L DL. What does that mean?

D D L G? What is that dumb daddy little girl? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, especially in that, what oops oopsy in that dynamic, oopsie. Oh yeah, but I would be the daddy.

So would I say that? No, you know what, you don't have to be the daddy. You can be the little girl. All right, easy.

You can be whatever you want to be, Richard. That's phase two, but just sit on this. You don't have to answer right now. What do you think about oopsie as a safe word?

Let's just play it out. Let's just play it out. I want you to just, just pretend. You're slapping me.

You ready? I just, I can see you on camera. So just motion, motion a whack. You ready?

Oopsie, oopsie, oopsie, oopsie. No, no, that was, I think, hm, I don't know that I'm the right audience for that. I think that would escalate to a throat punch and be like, you want oopsie, suck it up. This is why I can't really dumb.

I feel so big or doper at all. All right, well, anyway, so this is what happened. This is where I slash we need your help. OK, so.

A lot of things. I drug her around. I talked to her like she was a dirty whore. It got very hot, very fast.

In fact, we didn't even really get to start because it got so hot before we even got started that I started to fuck her right away. Well, no, but he fucked me right there. We were doing it in the, I mean, it's like a closet, but it's like a room. We're doing it in another room, so we're not, we weren't even in the bedroom.

We didn't even get to the bedroom yet. He just like pushed me up against the wall and started fucking me there and then he's like, wait a second. I need to drag you to perfect. It was fun.

It was very, very good. Yeah, but here's the thing is, here's what happened. I'm doing all the things, right? And then I get to a point where I say in my mind, I don't know what else to say.

I don't know what else to do. Like I've hit my threshold of things like you've gone through the arsenal, and then I'm like, I've spanked her a few times. I even slightly slapped her on the face a few times and I thought, did I ask you if that was too hard? No, I don't know, I don't think so.

I don't know if I did, but I, I like slapped her. A few times and then I might have spit on you. Did I spit on you? Yeah, you spit spit on her, which I have to, we didn't talk about.

We didn't have aftercare, but I don't know if I love the spitting. Oh, that was my favorite part. Oh no. Right.

This is, this is why we have the aftercare. The aftercare set. What did you like? What did you not like?

What can I do better next time bother that. So I was trying cliff notes before the next one. Yeah, I know you got to. And I am, that's why I didn't want to bring it up at all because I was like, it, I wanted, I.

I want you to feel free to try things, not like, oh, that's what he's doing. Yeah, that's what he's doing. And it was very hot. I got very turned on.

And then I don't know what to do. So this is what I ask you, you, if we were to play like a, a role reversal, like what, what would you tell me to do in that situation? So we're in the closet now. What do you expect to hear?

What do you expect to feel? I want you to imagine this. You're tied up. You have a rope around your neck.

It's tied to your wrist. You're bound. There's this super hot guy behind you, right? He's rock hard and And he's just demoralizing you, right?

He's, he's yanking on your hair. He's giving you a little slaps. He's tugging on your rope. What are, what name one or two, if possible, three things that you would like to feel, hear, or have done to you in that position.

I'm just curious. Well, so how much sensory deprivation is happening in the closet? Are the lights on or are the lights off? Well, the lights were on blindfolded because we weren't really prepared.

No, she wasn't blindfolded. She was just, uh, tied up. But that's what you're saying. Three things that I would, I mean, no, I'm wondering, like, first of all, you could always say to her, like, what do you want me to do to you, right?

You could do that. What do you want Daddy to do to you? And you could be like, Well, let's pull my hair. Yeah, do it.

Tell us, tell us, Lauren. Oh God, well, that's the whole point of being submissive, so I don't have to think about it. Lauren has a point. Lauren has a point.

So you want to, you want to be told what to do. You're the captain. I don't want to deal with it. I just want to disappear into the world because as soon as I.

Start speaking what I want. That takes me out of my world of being, I don't know what's next. That's part of what I like. I don't want her to be involved.

I barely want her to be there. Well, why don't you pick her up and move the scene? OK, I can do that. But if you've, yeah, but then I just, then I'm in a different room with the same problem.

So change the problem. Take the rope off, move the rope around, put a blindfold on her, do some sensory deprivation stuff. Do you have the pinwheels? The pinwheels are always a fun accessory.

And we don't have the pinwheels. We don't have pinwheels. Do you have the flogger or a feather? I mean, this is all kind of, you're engaging every sense, right?

If maybe next time do it in the pantry and like shove some crackers in her mouth. Eat those crackers, you little whore. Polly wants a fucking cracker. Open your mouth, bitch.

See, she's so good at this. She's very good. All right, so more sensory deprivation. That's what I'm hearing or sensory escalation, either one.

I mean, if you're doing pinwheel, it's stuff, but blindfolded, Well, you can do pinwheel with sensory deprivation. I think she's combining the. Yeah, I'm saying, use the senses to the best of your ability, whether you're depriving them or you're escalating them. So if you're in the closet and you want to move her to another room, blindfold her first, and like it, it creates a sense of mystery and not knowing what to expect and, and fully putting her trust in you.

But walking in there as a super hot dom. Shouldn't I have a plan in play? I have never domed in my life. No, but you've been domed.

I've been. Have you ever been dommed by a guy named Dom? That is such a good question. No, I've, I've been domed by two people in my whole life, none of which named Dom.

New goal for you. You're welcome. You don't know. Thanks.

I don't know. Turn off your computer. I can't. There's too, with too many, you know, I edit this thing, right?

And I can, I know, but that you just missed whatever she said in her cuteness, and it's going to be done with the beep. It's recorded. I didn't miss anything. The computer got it.

Beep. Fuck you. You guys are so cute. I just want, I just want to sit here all day.

Can you just leave me on Zoom full time so I can observe. It's so, so this is where you might, you might talk to a dungeon master, somebody who actually full-time operates in the space, but I feel like there's so much communication that happens in the actual BDSM world. You, you're having conversations with your partner pre and post play. To know kind of what's OK, what's not OK.

I'm sure that Lauren has some hard nose that would probably, you would want to have covered before, you know, you, you get into, I don't know, you mentioned blood place, so I, I don't know, that's like the most extreme thing. You don't want anybody to shit on your chest. That's a hard no. That apparently spitting is one too, which really just took, but I didn't know it until he did it.

I was like, exactly. That's why I'm kind of like the try everything twice. You never know what's happening the first time. Mia didn't like it.

Maybe the next time it just needs to be like different, but I liked it. I like it when I see the spitting. I like it when I see it. I think I would have liked you're working in a partnership.

You gotta, you gotta, but there's a little give and take here. I feel. I think I would have liked it if it was further into the session, but it was right at the beginning and I wasn't quite in the headspace yet. I was still slowly getting it there.

And, yeah, to be fair, I was like, hey, Lauren, are you ready? Boom, and I spit in her face. She's like. So when I, when I kind of reflect back on when Steve and I met, this is when I started, like Steve was kind of the man who opened the door to this world for me.

He would kind of ask me before he would try that, but that was date number one. You guys are 20 years into this thing, um, and so maybe you missed some of that, like, is it OK if I spit in your mouth now? And then you can be like, maybe let's try later. It's OK to ask those questions.

Richard, you don't go from not being a dumb to immediately being the most hot, rock hard, sexy dom who knows exactly what they're doing. After one session you didn't see me up there. That's number 1. Number 2, just leave me on Zoom full time so I can't have access.

Well, that's what we should do. We should do a Zoom session. Oh, we should do a Zoom dumb, blindfold her, or we just make a plan and then we go through it while you're on camera and you can coach me. Like you could hold up papers like you're on the sideline with a whistle, and I think that works for all of us, really.

I, I think that works really well. I think you might, I think you might find some input from Steve would also be helpful. Well, that's what I was from the. I was just gonna ask you.

I was gonna ask you what in fact I thought while I was up there, what would Steve do in, in that situation? Like you put yourself in that situation, you're in that closet, uh, you're tied up. What do you think Steve would have done? He wouldn't have spit on me in the 1st 5 minutes.

That's for sure. He might have. Um, he, in that situation, he would have changed rooms. And then he takes you into another room and then what?

Because what I did is I just untied her and said, uh, rotate like volleyball. It's my turn. Switch. I think that you kind of have to just go with the flow.

You're such a control freak. This is something that you have to be able to flow with. And so you move the scene and you work with the tools that maybe you preset a scene, maybe you have your flogger and your pinwheels set up in the other room, so that when you're done in the closet or the pantry, and you move, you've got some ideas already. Wax is also a really fun one, especially combined with sensory deprivation.

So you need to build a tool kit and just like hide things throughout the house and then no matter where you wind up, you've got something new. That is what we're going to do next time. We're gonna build it, we're going to build a story with characters. We're going to build a scene and have characters and arcs.

Narratives. I'm gonna have all of the things in place. Yeah, it's all gonna make sense. This is gonna work.

Is there gonna be a small orchestra? Oh, a soundtrack. This is getting better. I'm sure this, this is, these are all things people do.

The world is your oyster in BDSM. I think that that's what's so fun is I'm sure that there are people who write these out and then perform them. I don't know if you know this, and I don't know if this surprises you once, but I was flogged on a, uh, Saint Andrew's Cross once. Really?

Yeah, that's, you see. She did not seem as surprised as you thought she was gonna be. Um, so I have not been, that's not true. Stop lying.

I have, I feel like I've also been flogged on a Saint Andrew's Cross. I feel like there were chains involved with the Saint Andrew's Cross at one point. Hit you with chains. I don't think we were hit.

It was, it's just a dragging like the metal. The feeling. I've had all sorts of things done to me. But I'm so proud of you for being flogged.

Did you enjoy it? Um, there were points that I did, and then other points where I was like. I think with the flogger specifically, do you have a flogger? Oh, if we do, it's somewhere.

Like the repetitive beating part, that's not fun. Whenever Steve has done this with me, he always starts slowly, so it's like a tickle up the back with the leather straps, and then it's a little bit softer of a slap, and then it's a little bit harder, and then he's checking in with me. Is this OK? Is this OK?

Is this too hard? So the communication is very important. I think I'm saying that just to reassure you, Richard, that you're allowed to ask. For feedback.

And once you guys get the flow, it will become more natural and then like Lauren can move more into the submissive space. It's this is not like an instant you figure it out right out of the gate. Can you do me a favor? Can you ask Lauren what she wants just in the BDSM BDSM's point of view, like what would she want from, I'm going to sit here and I'm not going to listen, just two girls scissoring talking.

Scissoring scissoring. Have you ever scissored before, Lauren? It's lame. OK, thank you.

It's like it's such a boy thing to want. Listen, you're talking to the guy that made fun of it on a podcast because it's so stupid. It's just a stupid, stupid, stupid. Here we are listening to you talk about scissoring.

All right, can you mute so that we can't hear you? You can't interrupt me? No, you can't do that. You're sharing audio.

I can take my headphones off, but she's right. She's right here. Yeah, it's true. I'm sitting right next to him.

I'm getting everything. I can leave. I can go take the dog for a walk. All right, go, go, go.

I'll just keep Lauren, Lauren, I'm really, I am curious. Wait, so whose idea was it to try the BDSM? Well, he's always known that I've been into it. That's right.

For me, it's about mind control and about sort of pressing me into a space that is. Almost like a giving a little bit of sexual pleasure, but also depriving it. So you're extending that part, like, like edging, but not really, but sort of in that same realm. It's like a delayed gratification kind of a thing.

Yeah, it's just really about seeing how good you can obey and how submissive you can be, um, being tied up. And like, I wouldn't be a brat. I would be tied up and I would be like, completely calm in it and be like, look how calm I am and how obedient I am. And you can keep spreading this, you know, spreader bar or whatever, and whatever the anal hooks and I don't know what it is.

I don't know, like, but it's more about anal hooks are fun. Yeah, that was like, like you would be submissive to the. Point where you're like, do all of the things. I'm going to be as calm as a cucumber.

Is that to show him how submissive you can be? No, it's not necessarily to show him. It's just like, it's, that's a happy place I would be. Yeah, I know, right?

Yeah, fucked up. No, it's not fucked up. It's beautiful. Yeah, it's fun though, like, because like I want to be taken advantage of.

And then it sort of runs that parallel with the rape fantasy. That kind of stuff. Like I, I want to be taken advantage of in the way that, but also brought to that place of calmness. Got it.

I understand. So it's as we're talking about this, so I am a brat. I am not that bratty with Steve. Yeah, that would make sense.

Well, actually, I would have thought it would have been the opposite. No, because to me it's kind of, for me, it's a letting go of all of the control and the decision making and everything and just fully putting my trust in him. Yeah, and most of the time I, I, I don't want him to get distracted, um, with his little ADHD brain. So like stay the course.

Don't say anything that might dislodge this thought. But it's, I also tend to go into that space deeper with him because he is my partner and I trust him 100% where I've done scenes with one other person, um, the brat comes out, it's fun, and I'm, if I'm doing a scene in front of the crowd, I'm gonna be entertaining. That's just what I do. That would be so I I understand the space that you're talking about.

I'm glad that you said that. Yeah, I wouldn't be able to do this in a crowd at all. Like it would be, I'd have to be, it has to be like one on one or if it was with someone that wasn't Richard, I would still want Richard there, like where he's either talking in my ear and being like, wow, you really are like such a good girl. Or I say you just like fly us in to do this for you.

I'll fly us in to do this with you. I'll chip in for that. OK, perfect. I mean this is like the, so you've had an interest in doing this.

This is kind of your first go with Richard in this space. Yeah. OK. And so you really want to be in that submissive sort of calm.

You're just looking for calm. Yeah, I am. I don't want to make decisions. Like if I had the perfect life, I wouldn't have to make any decisions.

It's a very big struggle for me. And it's gotten worse as I've gotten older. It's like, I used to be very like, oh, I'm going to do this now and I'm going to do that now. I don't know what happened.

It's like, it's gotten really difficult. So I'm going to say that's probably called burnout and decision fatigue. Fatigue. I like that.

Oh my gosh, we could have a whole another podcast about diagnosis. So, Richard, I would say that Lauren is looking for more of a sensory experience than you spitting on her right out of the gate. Maybe introduce that a little bit. Later on, but if I was interpreting this, it would be like, you know what, babe, I'm going to take complete control here.

You don't have to worry about anything. If there is something that you don't like, the safe word is oopsy, and then just go from there. But I'm gonna shove, like, I'm gonna shove as many dildos in you as possible or like whatever it is. Like I don't know what the safe word is for.

It's for the freedom of that exploration, knowing that you have this fatal safe. OK, I'm into that. We can do that tonight. I'll get really high and out of control.

You, you, no, I won't do on your THC gummies, on my THC gummies, my cush cubes. No, I, I would like to do that, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna build a thing for me to go through. We have like the massage candle that you can use for like heat and like things like that. Um, just so you know, just ahead of time, if the room catches fire, that is not part of the scene, just for safety reasons.

I want to let you know that now. It's an absolute emergency. There's nothing that we can do for you from here. I think that helps a lot.

And then what we can do is do that and then check back in with you again or videotape it, and then we can come back here and then talk about it while you're watching a play by play, you know what I mean? I think that sounds great. We'll do X's and O's. We'll circle it like Tom Brady.

She's like Tom Brady. Yeah, yes, yes. Actually, with Steve's experience now with the sports ball, that's what she calls all, all, all, all sports, sports ball. The sports ball with the red, the red dry erase marker and oh my gosh, yeah, we can get the whiteboard set up on the Zoom and then we can put the scenes in and then we can circle this is good, this is bad.

I would really enjoy just watching Steve do it to her, just like dominate her and then I go, OK, I, I get it now. Yeah, say when we don't work. I know we don't work. Uh, there's been really.

Helpful. And I want to thank you for coming back, just taking the time out of your busy schedule and talking about you interrupted a nap for this. So you're welcome. Is there anything that you wanted to ask Haley before we, we, we let her go?

I mean, anything important? Does talking about this at all make you interested in doing it again? Or are you just kind of like, that was a phase? I could answer that, but go on.

I would love to do it again. I, I, it would be really fun. I think what, what really stopped us was when he accidentally moved into my house with my children, and then like you can't really do all the scenes when you have kids in the house. And then they moved out what, 5 years ago, and we just haven't gotten back into it.

Now that we have the basement to ourselves, no tenant, I'm thinking about turning it into the sex dungeon. So I'm gonna move my chair down here or swing. We'll add some hook things to the walls and, and kind of get back get back at it. Get back into, yeah, it's like going for the gold again.

You're not retired. No, we just took a break. Actually sounds super fun and maybe is a really great reintroduction to I think sexy second time, I think it's us to say you're welcome now. Yeah, I think so too.

Yes, yes, thank you guys. Thank you for opening my eyes once again. Are there any moves in, in the BDSM world like triple nuts that like, is there like a, are there any specific moves? Double toe loop.

So again, I'm not, I'm not the subject matter expert. You are you're the only expert we worked the circles. We've named you an expert. Great, great.

What's your accreditation because I feel like that needs to be revoked from ASA. I'm a doctor from AASA. Yeah, yeah, we are the leaders of ASA, the American Speakers Association. My answer for her before we go was when you said, are you interested?

My answer was, yeah, but with. You too. That was my secret answer that I had in my head. It's hard to have foursome PDSM.

No, it's not. It can be. It's so, you have to understand, at least for me in the Dom sub environment, there has to be so much trust built there, and I have to have the foundation with my partner first. Yeah, I wouldn't, I wouldn't try it.

I wouldn't. I didn't say I would participate. You absolutely would do anything that I asked you to do. And so I say we check in on this quarterly.

And then by the time Sin comes around, we'll have a full report for you on how the BDSM life is going here and then maybe the four of us do our first scene at Sin in October. Oh, so soon and I'm not ready. Oh, Richard, don't spit on her. I can spit on her.

You can, you can spit on me, but not right out of the gate. You got to work up to that and don't spit in my mouth. That's what he did. That's reserved for Steve.

That's what I did. I spit in her mouth. Listen, spitting in the mouth is so hot. Like I have spit in my girlfriend's mouth from upstairs, like over the banister, and she was laying on the floor and I spit right into her mouth, and it was one of the sexiest things that we've ever done.

But you got to be careful who you're spitting, who's spitting it. They take your soul spiritually. I didn't know. I didn't know.

You have my soul now. Took my soul and stepped on it. That's how you just heard the expert. It is an ancient ritual that you just walked on, degraded.

How dare you, Lauren? This is ancient rituals that you just, I think that Lauren said she would try it one more time if the spitting happens a little later in the session. Um, thank you so much for, for coming back. I love coming for you guys.

It's my favorite thing. Sounds even better. All right, well, we're, we're gonna do that next then. I don't know when tonight you said you promised.

I can't do it tonight. I'm so busy. Oh no. I'll fly over.

I got you covered, Lauren. Oh, it's such a long flight. Yeah, I don't know. It's already, it's already pretty late.

We'll fly her in. We'll wash her up, scrubby scrubs. Everything will be all good. If I get to take Muchacho for a walk, I'm totally down.

Whatever you want. Thank you again. I'm sure we're we're gonna probably talk to you again. I have a feeling.

Yeah, say when. I mean, I'm not, I'm not terribly busy, so. Say goodbye to Haley. Bye bye.

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