Ep. 5: Threesomes For Some, Foursomes For Others

This podcast contains explicit content, language, and sexual situations. It is intended for adults 18 years of age and older. Views, thoughts and opinions expressed are not those of any specific employer, group, or individual. Fed up with the rat race, we decided to sell everything and move to Cancun, Mexico now.

We do what we love, work, party, and play at the Desire resort. After 15 years in the lifestyle together, we thought we saw it all, but we were so wrong. So wrong. Oh my God, so wrong.

Now we want to share the fun that we get to have every day. So come to room 77. Let's play. All right, I am here with what room are you in?

86. What room are you in? 61, 86 and 61. I am here with those rooms.

So, um, we have one couple here who is first time and another couple who is first time this this particular resort. So it's not to you. How do you deal with your confidence level when you come to a place like this? Is it something that affects you when you, when you take off?

And shed your clothing. Is it something that you think about? No, I really didn't think about it. I, I had talked to some people beforehand and we were, you know, we felt confident coming to it that we knew people.

So as soon as I got to the pool, I had a friend that just took her everything off and I did the same, and you look great with your everything off, by the way. Well, thank you. They can't see you, but I can. Thank you.

I appreciate it. I work hard. All right. Same goes for room.

I don't remember. 86, 86. Yes. You are also in phenomenal shape.

I worked very hard at this. You both were. It showed. Is it ever an issue?

Yes, I'm looking straight at your tits. Who are you talking to right now? I was talking to your tits. Yes, I lost focus.

I saw this that's why for like for like 4 seconds. It's OK. I blacked out. I went.

I went to my special place. So should I pull them down a little bit? That's not helping. That's not helping.

Oh, those are some really good nipples, folks. OK, so keep going. I said that you wanted to ask me. I can't talk with me and you right here.

I know. All right, let's focus. Self-confidence. We have all met assholes, right?

Those judgmental assholes. Do you think it's healthy for somebody who's coming here for the first time to make sure that that doesn't scare them away? You just come in here and be. Like, I own this.

I, we know who we are together. Your wingman is the most important thing. Your wing woman or your wingman. This one right here.

Now let's talk about him because he's really fucking tan and I live here and I'm not that tan. I want to see you back here. I want to see those tits back here. I hope we see all of you again.

You're wonderfully beautiful human beings and we, we thank you. Thank you. So Friday last week at the resort was all rain, all rain all the time. It was the rainy resort all day, all day long.

We met a lot of great people. We, we got a message from that chick that I was talking to that I was crushing on Millie. No, not Millie. Oh, I know who you're talking about.

You know, I can't. Say her name, but she's on Cassidy. We're on Cassidy now. I was crushing on her and we were having some geeky conversations about TV and I was talking to her husband about Supreme Court cases.

So our conversations were all over the map and you could see that I had a crush on her. And then, but I, I was sick. I had influenza. Also that felt like polio at the time, so I needed to fix myself.

So I never got to see her naked, but then I saw all their pictures. Holy shit, hot. Oh my God, I know. And I have to wait for November for her to come back, for them to come back back in November.

Oh, that's what she said. She said November can't come fast enough. Oh yeah. Hi to you if you know who I'm talking about.

You were the one we were talking about TV together. I love you, um. All right, so, um, who else did we meet? Well, we had, there was a VIP that came through that we ended up chatting with them.

They super cool. Yeah, so this author, Erica Garza, Erica Garza, she was a, a sex addict. She was addicted to sex. She was addicted to porn.

She wrote a book, and she's like early 30s, really pretty, beautiful. I know it's like you feel guilty, right, because you're like, what is your book about? She's like, I'm addicted. The sex and I'm like, great, awesome.

Oh, I'm sure you, yeah, she 12 stepped. She did a 12 step on it. She's, she's coming at it in a very different way. They were supportive and just really cool people traveled the world and made me feel like I never left the United States.

The book is called Getting Off. At some point I'll read it. Uh, so what do you want to talk about? Um, doesn't matter.

I have things that I want to talk about. Well, tell me your things. No, you tell me and I'll tell you if they're valid. There's also a few things that we've said before and we say, oh, that should be its own episode, and I can never remember what they are.

You need to carry around a paper and pen. I bought this paper and it's like contact paper, but it's like a chalkboard and so I want to do that wall right there and put up with and then I can make little notes. I just need some chalk. We're not hanging a white board in our living room that says things like giant titties, question mark.

And then we have to explain that. No, it's good because it'd be big and I could write on it. Just don't order food delivery or if you do, just barely open the door. All right, what was it that you wanted to talk about?

Um, uh, the new fan. No, you said I have a few things you already forgot, probably. Oh my God, you really do need a whiteboard. I do.

I'm not kidding. I need something. I've been recording for 3 minutes. I've already forgotten what I went to the next floor to do by the time I get there.

I think I need vitamins. Oh, I forgot to take my vitamin today. Remind me to do that later. You were asking the person who forgets.

Yeah, OK, I'm gonna put that on my whiteboard. OK, so your first topic was, I already forgot. Let's just talk about The Handmaid's Tale. Praise be.

Blessed day. Addicted. We're not going to talk about. We're not because we're not a movie review podcast.

So can we go to our new segment, or did you, what else do we need to talk about? Yeah, so a lot of times when we're at the resort, sometimes people ask us for advice, and they ask us for advice, which advice sometimes we can give, but there is advice that sometimes they talk to us like we're doctors, which we're not. We're trained in anything. So we're not, and we tell them don't take it from us because we're stupid human beings.

We make a lot of mistakes and a lot of bad choices. So we got a letter from, what we got, how many did we get? We got one because we have one listener that makes sense and someone asked for advice, which I thought wouldn't ever happen. So we are going to both.

We're going to both give our version of our advice that you should or should not take. So why don't you read the letter? Don't use any names. This is a segment that we're going to call.

You're welcome. You're welcome. All right, my partner and I have been in the lifestyle for about a year and a half. Is that the question?

No, it's a backstory. Oh, I was gonna say I read it already. We haven't come across a couple like the graduate level couple in your episode. I think they're talking about the penthouse episode.

Well, yeah, that's the one that we went crazy. Yeah, we did go a little crazy. It sounds like they were into some seriously kinky shit. OK.

Is that something that you all discussed beforehand to make sure everyone was on the same page, or did it come up and play? I don't like to kill the vibe with too many questions, but I would want to know something like that ahead of time so I didn't end up being the one crying in the corner. On the same hand, if my partner and I have some sort of mild kink that we're into, should we address it beforehand or just introduce it slowly over play sessions? We did not discuss.

It beforehand, although we did have a vibe that it was going to get really dark really fast. So kind of what we do is we throw out hints. We spend that time in the jacuzzi or in a bar or a party, I guess, yeah, whatever, wherever you are, to throw out little sentences, little hints, little phrases, and see what their reactions are. Other than that, we didn't really discuss it because for.

Us, if we're on the same page, you and I, and stuff gets too advanced, we can leave together. We never feel pressured into anything because we have each other. So basically she's asking, how do you bring it up casually? Well, she's like, do you bring it up or do you just go in?

Yeah, here's what I do. I don't know if you've ever noticed this before, but I do some subliminal shit. Let's say I want to do anal on her, and that's what I'm into. I'll start a casual conversation.

Oh, did, you got a lot of sun today. Did you play volley anal today? And just what volleyball did you play volleyball today? That's my thing is I would try to be subliminal and subtle and expecting what they'll get it.

The, the other part of it was they are in some kink. Oh, and how do they, how do they introduce it? Do they bring it up beforehand? What is your advice?

Well, the part of the letter that worried me was. Over play sessions. So if you're playing with the same couple multiple times, yeah, maybe you do things more slowly. If you don't care if you see them again, then I would give different advice because I would just say, do what you guys want to do and or just put it out there.

Yeah. Otherwise it's a waste of time. This is what I do do. I said you do and I'm going to stay on the same anal route.

All right, I'm at the bar, right? And I'm. Talking to her or him. You pick.

It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. And I want anal with her. Is that what I want?

Or are we talking about Peggy? Because that's a different tactic. Um, give me both sides, both sides. If I want anal with her, what I'm going to do is I'm going to talk to her again about casual things.

Wow, you look lovely tonight. Your eyes, they're so striking, or whatever your compliments are, right? Right. While you're doing it, take fine.

Object, any object that's on the bar, like a beer bottle, straw, anything. While you're talking to her, say, where are you from? Oh, Wyoming. Subtle is the game here.

So when you're talking to her, you're using your right hand to talk about Wyoming and what a lovely state it is. And with your left hand, you're taking the bottle and starting with gentle pressure, pressing it against her anus, not hard. Like you don't want to penetrate anything. She's wearing clothes, OK.

Now, if it's me pegging and I want to be pegged, what I'm gonna do is I'm going to take the same approach. I'm going to talk to her. I'm gonna be like, maybe I'm talking to her husband, Jeff. Jeff, I just bought a new car.

Now with the, with my hand, I'm gonna lay the bottle down, put it on the seat. I'm going to keep talking. I just bought a new car, Jeff, and then I'm gonna sit down and I'm gonna let that object penetrate me. And instead of going, Oh, I'm gonna go, Oh, that was pleasant.

What if he doesn't know what you're doing? What if he can't see? Jeff knows. He knows.

Jeff's in the pecking. Jeff's dirty. He took my old kink to a whole new level, yeah, and his disgusting wife that loves anal. Yeah, so yeah, uh, that's my advice.

Oh wait, there was a third thing right at the end there. I don't like to kill the vibe with too many questions, but I would want to know something like how kinky the penthouse people were ahead of time so that I didn't end up being the one crying in the corner. That was the other part. So your advice, I would just be sure that me and my wingman are on the same page.

Just start with them. Just start with your own partner. I'm going to take a different route, of course you are. I'm going to give different advice here.

OK. This is what I would do. OK. Go in the room, walk straight to the corner, and start crying.

Stare at the wall and don't break character. Strong choice. If you can. This is going to build trust.

facing the other way, cry. If you can get the nerve to piss yourself in that corner. It's fucking game on. All right, well, we were happy to solve your problems.

We hope you take any, any of that advice and throw it away. And for that, you're welcome. We've started. I'm here with room room 60, 60, also known as Adam and Eve.

Adam and Eve, the spiritual swinger doing this interview completely naked. When people ask you for advice, right, because people ask us for advice, we really don't know what to say to them sometimes because we're not trained. swingers. Do you have any, any hang ups when people ask you for advice and, and you're put in that position as someone looks at you like a doctor?

I would say the last thing we want to do is give anyone advice because we'll, we're the last people that would have good advice. Basically what we want to do is share our story. And if you can identify our stories, and if you can identify with it and be like, hey, that's like something that we had, look at them, they worked through it and they made it to the other side, we're never going to give advice. I met you too and you're a mess, so I, that's that's you're a hot mess.

That's why we like you guys. You're way fucked up. Yeah, we are. We bonded over that.

We are really fucked up. All right, that is good advice for giving advice. I just gave advice. You did.

I'm not going to take it, but you have a question for us. What is your question for us? Well, our question for you is, well, it's a multiple choice. Which, which of these four things in the week we've been here was the most talked about topic?

Answer choice A, cock size. Choice B, breast size. Choice C, shaving style, or choice D. Jesus was a single guy in the lifestyle.

Feel free to answer. I think I know the answer. I do too. You do.

It's Jesus in the lifestyle. Jesus was a single guy. We decided that Jesus might have been a single guy in the lifestyle. He would have been the best one.

Why wouldn't he have been respectful, and he like chick probably give women orgasms with his mind. I'm stopping this right now. ridiculous. All right.

Yeah, we started again. Mhm. What are we? What are we gonna start with?

Well, are all phones on vibrate, silent? Yeah, I don't even have my stuff out. Our vibrators on silent? No, our vibrator.

If, if your vibrator goes off, answer it. So exciting week. Exciting last week. I mean, it's been a while since we've been on the, since you and I have talked through our microphones.

Yeah, let's, let's have a conversation. Last week we spent some time with the spiritual swingers and we got a thing. We're here with Mr. and Mrs.

Jones from We Got a Thing. Thank you guys so much for coming by. We met you guys almost exactly 1 year ago, last summer, last summer, and we were here only for about 1 month, 1 month and a half, something like that. And we, we had no idea what we were doing.

We, we were still running around like chickens with our head cut off. But you guys were very gracious and you took the class and you, you told us that you enjoyed it and you were coming back and we more than enjoyed it. Your, your class, your class is literally life changing. You really help people get out of their heads and just connect.

Yeah, with all that good, good stuff. Let me tell you what I was thinking when I was in their class because I out there knows that but you. I recall, you know, Elle tries to spend an equal amount of time with every guy in there, but in my mind she spent like, I don't know, 1015 minutes with me and all the other 16 seconds. The gentlemen were extremely upset and then, and then I felt like, OK, I need to keep somehow keep this going.

So I gave them a business card and then they promptly threw it in the shoebox and probably lost it. We are honored to have you guys here. We're waiting for the monkeys to come visit. If the monkeys come, this podcast stops.

Everything goes on pause when the monkeys come because the let's not get divorced game went so well with not only the two of us but with another couple. We're going to play it with you. We hope that you'll play along. You've already answered the questions.

So, uh, we just had a few questions that we wanted to ask. We thought that your listeners would be interested. We know, we have twice as many listeners. We know that our listener.

Our listener will be interested in in these questions. Has your popularity in the lifestyle? Has it changed the vibe of the lifestyle for you? You, you've become sort of this celebrities, yeah, sort of celebrities in this in this world, and we see it when we come to the, to the hotel and you're there.

Does that change the vibe for you? You know, it's funny because when we meet people, you know, they, you know, They're like, Oh my gosh, we're just so excited to meet you. We feel like we know you. And it is a good thing.

And it's it's funny because it creates this somewhat imbalanced relationship from the get-go because they know so much about us. We don't know anything about them. So we really enjoy drawing out their story from them. But at the same time, I'm always like, oh my gosh, I want to tell them the story, but they probably already heard it because we've already.

Told it on the podcast, so we feel like we're one big rerun. You need to get out there, Mrs. Jones, and you need to do more stuff to keep it a secret. Well, OK, that's true.

You need to keep, we need our stockpile of. You do. You need your arsenal. The first thing I think of when somebody comes up to you and they say, I just want to let you know that if it wasn't for you guys, we wouldn't be here.

And I'm thinking, Oh my God, they just paid $3000 or $4000. To come to the desire and if they don't have a good time, this is all on our shoulders. Yeah, no pressure. Yeah, it is.

Well, we hope you don't get a bill from anyone. So far, so good. So, uh, you've been in a lifestyle for what, 4 or 5 years now, 4 or 54 or 5. After this amount of time, what has been sort of your preference or your go to?

Would it be twosome with just the two of you that would be quitting the lifestyle? No swinging. He's out. That's uh.

Uh, a threesome, foursome, or more so. I'm a, I'm a weenie. I can't do it. I struggle with more than foursome.

Me too, yeah. When a, when a foursome goes well, which sometimes happens, but sometimes doesn't, that's our, that's the most fun that we have when all 4 people are at the same level and everybody has a good time. The likelihood of that. Happening though compared to a threesome, I think you, uh, Mrs.

Jones, enjoy yourself. There's less stress for a threesome because you don't, you know, you don't have to worry about that fourth person, especially when it's two guys. You get all the attention. True, yeah, true.

Having just a threesome has become a rarity for, for us now. Yeah, can I, can I actually share one of, no, we're going to move on to the next. one of their secrets in this line of you, if you ever see R walking around with his blow dart, yes, it's because they, they see a couple and they want to be with a woman and they go, we're gonna, and the guy, and the guy falls down and then they place him in the, in the jacuzzi bed and then they're off. You may be blown if you wake up somewhere in the bushes and your, your, your husband or wife is gone, they're with us.

All right, so the other thing that you guys went through very publicly was getting out. In the lifestyle, which is sort of traumatic when it does happen, it's a little bit overwhelming, to say the least. It's a lot, it's a lot overwhelming. Do you have as much fun going out now and not having to hide, not stay in the shadows?

Well, so we are out a little bit, um, and, and even the, the friends and family that know we're in the lifestyle, we don't say, hey, guess what we're doing Saturday night, you know, so we're still kind of like sneaking out, you know. Um, into the city or down to Mexico. Well, the biggest difference is when we have company ever, we don't have to put their car in the garage. That is fantastic, because one of the things that I remember, uh, when we, when we were living back in the states, and we were out on the town with another couple, I think one of the fun things was being around the vanilla world and being a foursome, you would start to push those boundaries a little bit and confuse the waitress, confuse the waiter so much fun.

And, and that was, that was a lot of fun. And that's sort of what I equate it to. It's because it it can be. Fun running around in that world and being a little, a little risky.

And before we get on with the please don't get divorced game, tell us a little bit how your trip here at Desire is going, brought a gaggle of wonderful people. Yes, they are. They all seem like they're having fun. How is it going so far?

It's just so much fun to come with people that haven't been here before. And when you come to Desire the first time, and you get Uh, when you check in, you get a bracelet. Everybody gets a bracelet, but they, they give these yellow bracelets to the newbies, which I don't know if it's good or bad. In a way, it's a little cruel, but you know, that way, I guess the people with the yellow bracelets, they get mentored.

And it's just fun to watch them throughout the week, you know, start to let their guard down, start to take their clothes off, start to take their clothes off and and just start to be, you know, more, um. Like their personal space gets decreased, you know, and they start just becoming, you know, more open and more willing to talk about things, and they don't stutter as much. And it's just, it's so much fun to watch that transformation over a period of like, you know, 5 or 7 days. Yeah, a good example of that is that the first night we were here, we did a meet and greet.

They're all meeting each other and we're meeting them for the first time and you could tell it's day one, everybody's nervous a little bit. How, what's the vibe here? What's going on? Fast forward to today, day 3, when we did speed dating in the pool and I said, on your Marcus set go and like everybody started kissing.

Obviously you guys are connected. Well, I don't need, I don't think we need to play this game anymore, but and then the timer goes off and we're like rotate to the next person and they just look at us and like whatever and they just keep doing their thing. We, we've been there too, where what day one, we're, we're sort of like, come on, come out of your shell, come out of the show, and day 4, we're like, go back in your shell a little bit. Uh, turn it down.

I'm the host. I'm supposed to be in charge here. They're like, whatever. Well, we, uh, we are happy to have you.

And now if you are ready, we, I don't know, yeah, you're ready. Just remember, the goal is to not get divorced. So that's, that is the bar that is set. So we asked you, but you know, you guys have been divorced several times now, and you still, still seem to be pretty happy.

I think Elle may have set the bar at the right level for us. that's I got none right. I know. And we're still here in the same room, so that's right.

All right, so, uh, here we go. So we asked you both a set of 5 questions. We, Mrs. Jones, you, you are up first.

We asked Mr. Jones, if there was one thing that would happen in the middle of play that would make him or the both of you just get up and leave, storm out of the room. What would that one thing be? You can actually do this where they, they hold up their cards at the same time.

Oh, yeah, we should do that. You want to do that? All right, so Mr. Jones, you take your cards.

I'm going to repeat. So anything that would happen, that would make either of you or both of you just get up and storm out, what would it be? And on the count of 3, you're both going to hold up your card. OK.

You're ready to each other. You're ready? 123. We have.

We have a match. We have a match. What I can't. I said someone being dishonest as in going bareback.

Oh, we have a match. The answer on both Mr. and Mrs. Jones' car was a card was the guy does not use a condom or he is trying to go bareback.

So, all right, right. The judges said that wasn't right. Yeah, no, it's different. Brokeback Mountain is different.

OK. Number 2, you're ready, ready. You're like such a game show host right now. I'm on a roll.

I know, but did you up here. Did you do everything on your fuck list? If yes, what was your favorite? If no, what's left on the count of 312, show your cards.

Yours is upside down. It's not, it's not PD, it's DP. I think we have another match. We do.

It's close enough, another, another, she's a DVP maybe not, but I think it's pretty close though. They are pretty close together, but it is. They are pretty close with another couple, but that's, that is the same thing. That's just a more DP is DVP is just a more descriptive term of DP.

You can, so that is a match. You got two in a row. You're so like you got two in a row. You just renewed your vows.

I know. I think we like each other. Third question, way more than if you guys get all of them right, I'm throwing you out of here. Well, let me change this.

Make me sick. Number 3, Mr. Jones, does your wife think that you still masturbate? And if so, does she know where you do it?

What do you think? Uh, yes. Do you think she knows where? In my office.

Hold up your card. That is. I think I need to clarify that my office is in my home. A clue is that when I go down to your office and I look, there's like a cubby on the side of his desk and there's like a 10 inch bottle.

No, no, no. No, it's not. This is what it looks like. There's desk, there's pens, there's index cards, there's paper clips, and there's a stapler, and there's lube.

Yes, that makes sense. It's a mess. It is a mess. All right, moving on.

Same question. Mrs. Jones, does your husband think that you still masturbate privately? And if so, where do you do it?

What do you think his answer was? God, I'm so embarrassed to say this because I feel like I'm ruining my chances with y'all, but I don't. He said no. You two make me sick.

That's unbelievable You know what I tell her, I said, just lie to me. Tell me you he does. He says that all the time. When I'll come home and I'll say, tell me you masturbated.

Yeah, no, honey, no, just say that you did. So I don't masturbate privately, but I love to masturbate in front of Mr. Jones. That's true.

I like him to watch me. That's my motivator. Do you like to watch Mr. Jones masturbate?

Yes. All right, next question. We have 2 left. Who in your life is sexually off limits, but actually wish they were within the limits?

123. Is that the upside down again? Is that the same person? Uh, yes, it would be.

I mean, this is disgusting. You should feel horrible. This is what a couple looks like when they love one another. This is what they look like.

It's so great. I mean, I didn't think this game would make me feel worse. This one this last one's hard. We need to go to communication camp.

That'll be good. We'll go to a retreat and not talk to each other. All right, so if there's one thing that you could steal off of your partner and always staple it onto a future lover when you play, what would that one thing be? And I'm going to ask you both separately.

Mr. Jones, what did you think Mrs. Jones said she would take off of you and staple onto another person? Um, what kissing her lips or?

No. was that, is that lips. I don't want to say lips only, but the way kissing, you kiss with. What did you write, Mrs.

Jones? I put your intuition, your intuition. Oh. So you're saying that you would want another guy to like sense what you needed and what you liked and didn't like, right, right, right.

Yeah, you're really good at reading people and and you know that that's a really good quality to have, especially when you're in a play experience, being able to read them. Yeah, I like your answer better. If I'm going to lose. All right, Mrs.

Jones, yes, what is the one thing that he would steal off of you and staple onto another person? Oh, I want to say something nice, but it's probably something like, yeah, go with your gut. I know. I don't even know what the answer is.

I forget. You really like my blowjobs. Oh yeah. Blowjob technique.

Wow, I can't believe you got that. You are the loser, Mr. Jones. I, I'm afraid to say, but that is like a 98%.

That's not 98%. That's cool. OK, well, well, thank you so much. That was fun.

He It was so much fun that I felt stretched pretty thin. Did you? Yeah, we were going out on school nights. We're going out on school nights.

We're partying more than we normally party. We thank you for that, spiritual singers, and we got a thing. We had an amazing time. It was great having you with us.

Come more often. They'll be back. Let me ask you something. Yeah, I'm in there in the workshop today.

We had sex in the workshop today, which happens from time to time. I enter you. We used to do it every single time we did. We used to do it every time, but now I'm like lame.

Well, no, it's not you. Sometimes I'm just like, I, I have shit to do. I can't fuck right now. But anyway, today, it was a good group.

We were at our end. We did the Lingham today. Yeah, hot group in there, right? So that was, that's part of my question is, how do you feel sometimes when I'm fucking you, right?

And you look down at your semi-attractive, mild mannered husband, right? So you look down at me, right? You look down at me, you gaze into my eyes, and my eyes are looking at another couple having sex. Does that bother you at all?

I shouldn't have hesitated. Oh yeah, it doesn't. I mean, I get to, I, no, it does. That's why I hesitated.

Sometimes it used to more because I'd be like, Are you here? I am there. I'm inside of you. I don't know if you can feel it.

No, it's, it used to be something that I felt like you needed external stimulation, but now it's just something that like from going through the class and communicating about the class, right, through our microphone sessions. That I've learned that that's, it's like a twisted mindset. It has nothing to do with me, right? It's not, that's not us being eye locked and engaged in having that kind of sex.

It's a different kind of sex. So now, I too, sometimes am either in thought, looking away, or I really love the. You know how I am on lighting. So I'm like, I look at the lighting on people's bodies, and sometimes I just close my eyes.

I'm listening to the sounds. So I go there too, but it's only because you've taught me a wise one to to have sex in a different way. All right, well, here's the thing. I mean, I know that you are not, have never been the biggest exhibitionist in the.

The world. Really, no, I'm I know I'm telling our listener because yeah, it's OK. Our listener needs to know that you, you, when you started off, you were not even a, you, you were quite uncomfortable having sex in front of people, right? We had to baby step it, right.

The other thing when you say, by the way, to our listener, this is literally the first time we have ever had this conversation in 15 years. Well, we've Only been doing the class, yeah, but we've had sex in front of people at the resort and stuff. It's no different than being at the jacuzzi and, and watching someone in, in, in another bed. To me it is because I took it differently than a jacuzzi thing.

So that's why I had to adjust and learn. Let, I'm just, um, I don't remember. I never have to. You should know that I don't have, I don't need outside stimuli to be.

With you. I, I, I've never needed that. I could bend you over right now. I know that, but I took the purpose of that sexual, but it's like when I see this is what happens, right, is like I look up and I see a couple, it doesn't matter, pick a couple, it doesn't matter.

They're staring at me, the women, mind you, and the men, and they're looking me dead in the eyes, like I stole something. And maybe they're flip flops. I did do that. I do have a brand new pair of flip flops that are not mine, but I did not steal them.

No, that's true. That's true. If you are looking for your flip flops, sir, you can pick them up at desire. They'll be on my feet.

So, um, the women and the men are, yeah, they're staring at me. It's more of a feeling of us. Like I'm like, oh, she's watching us. So it's not like if she comes over, I'm going to chuck you to the side.

Not that anybody's ever come over before because that would be wrong. It'd be palsy. It be palsy. No, I feel like, and if they're looking at us, then that's what I should be performing to get them you don't to show them, yes, you can fuck now after class.

No, I, I hate that you're doing that. No, I don't do it anymore. Remember I brought this up to you that. I told you.

Oh, well, yeah, because, yeah, I mean, yeah. Yeah, and we went through that part and you're like, no, no, no, no, no, don't think that it's not about that. You know, do your own thing and sometimes you will, sometimes I don't even remember what you said, but it was like it took me out of that headspace. And now that you look around and stuff, I'm on the same page and I like it.

It makes me more comfortable and I am free to kind of lift the. Thoughts and the stuff that was going through my mind during the workshop. All right, well, I just wanted to know. No, I don't feel insecure.

Well, I'll slip some eye contact in there. I'll give you a wink. What about that couple that was up by the bar? And by the way, I have no idea what they look like.

Honestly, I wanted to stay with them. I just wanted to stay over there. And so wet. Oh my God, they were so turned on, right?

So then at the end, they were not in my view. I did not actually get to see them while I was. Looking at other people. Yeah, I wasn't looking at them.

Unfortunately, I sort of wish I did. When we got up, he, because this is a first, right? Yeah, he took her, put her hands on the bar and started fucking her standing up, standing up, staring right at us. Did you notice that?

And then I lost, I sort of lost them in the crowd. I don't know who they were. That's what I love about this is I seriously from their bed and then the people right next to them. Oh.

Oh my God, it was like, I seriously could have just been like, here is your ticket to our orgy in 15 minutes we should do is give out orgy tickets. Oh, and just be like, meet us in the playroom and you're going to be in the playroom and it's just all these people and they're just, you can figure out who's going to mesh in like 20 seconds. But then when we go, we leave, we stand outside, we wait to hug everybody and all that stuff, people passing through, passing through, hugging. I have no idea who they were.

It's dark in there and it's just a lot of faces. I get confused who is who. It's hard. I'm not really looking at their faces and not like in a creepy way like I'm staring at their bodies, but I'm, I do do it with a sense of emotion.

and energy behind it. I don't really look around where I'm touching and I'm touching this part and what do you look like? I just go there. I jump in the energy.

That one was really hot and yeah, I for the life of me could not tell what her body looked like. soft. She was soft. She was soft.

In such a social environment, would you give any advice to anybody who has sort of social anxiety? That's the same thing that I've, I've had to deal with is people, they, they talk about stuff and it's like you just wanna, you just wanna be yourself and you just want to meet people and, and, and let everything go that you leave it that you have at home, and you've been doing that. Have you been succeeding? Yeah, today, today was a.

It was a roller coaster in the morning, you know, we talked and we got some advice and it's been a great day ever since. So I'm going to tell you and be completely honest, you can go on a cruise, you can go on a trip. You don't talk to people when you go on a Disney cruise. You don't talk to people when you go on a trip.

Every morning I wake up, you just say, hi, good morning. I just got a little Kiss, wait, no, no, but I mean it's no, but it is true. It is one of the most social places. It was something that we talk about all the time when you go to other resorts.

People are buried in their books and you ask them the time and they give you a look like, why the fuck are you talking to me? Like, what? We don't even have watches. I don't want to watch.

No, this is not what we're here for. I want to watch you. Oh wait, you want to watch this? I want to watch.

We have started. No ghosts. I don't know what that means. What do you want to talk about first?

Do you wanna go on then? Let's, I want to start with last week. So we, we, we had a lot. We had a lot going on last week.

We had a lot, just a lot of friends just being pulled in a bunch of different directions. The hotel was full of people, and then we had some friends come in. We took some people to dinner. We did, and we, we played finally.

We don't do that often. Yeah, don't say that. We don't, we don't. Oh, come on.

I don't sound boring. We don't play often, but we did. We did play. We play.

It was exciting for me. So this cute couple, it's funny because last year I nicknamed them cute couple. Oh yeah, so you met them last year and I wasn't here, right? We were separated, right?

I'm just kidding. We weren't separated. I had asked you, is anybody cute there? And you had said this couple, and then they showed up again, and they're like, this is the couple I was talking about last year, and they were in fact.

Cute. So not in the lifestyle. Yeah, not in the lifestyle. Right.

Well, I mean, who knows? I I don't know. But you know, one of those things where, and we run into this a lot, a couple that's looking for sort of a unicorn at a couple's resort, at a couple's resort. Usually the game plan with that is for the woman to come on really hard and strong to the other female.

The difference with this one was we got along swimmingly. Like we just all laughed and joked and had a really good time. They're fun and sweet and like twisted sense of humor sort of too. So I enjoy that.

That's a plus for me. But she didn't want anything to do with me. Well, sexually, I mean, yeah, I mean sexually, yeah. So I mean, but she told me she's like, I, you do nothing for me.

I mean, I'm anxiety ridden as it is, like I can't deal with people really well. Well, you assume the worst first, and I tell you, well, in myself, I assume the worst, yeah, and I don't know why you do that. I'm insecure. I have a lot of anxiety inside of me.

It's fine. They were kind of obviously into women from the get-go, so it wasn't really like a, oh, is she going to be into me or is she not? So we told her, we're like, look, lady. Here's the deal.

We don't really do the thing where you come back and then I'm in the corner just jerking off by myself because I like seeing two women go at it. That's, that's not really our bag, you know, it's either all skate. Where couples skate, but there's no lady skate, ladies skate. I don't know if that's a thing.

I don't know. I had an attachment to them. So for the first time, well, what did the lady say to you when you said this? Hey lady, hey lady, what'd she say?

Hey, you. Hey you, cause I don't know her name. No, what did she say back to you? She called you you.

Oh, she's like, No, it's not that you turned me off. It's just I just want her. That's all. Yeah, she was like, I only have.

Sex with my husband. I don't, maybe I did disgust her. I don't know, but she, uh, you didn't. That's the whole point, right?

You just didn't do anything for her. Yeah, that's not what she wanted to do. She, but I respected her for it. Yeah, so did I, because she was like, yeah, it's just not my thing, just not my thing.

She wanted you so bad. It was like she was eating you with her eyes. Well, they were one of those. I, I was kind of having that experience that you.

had where someone had thought about what it would be like to be with me for a year because they, she was like, I don't know if you know this, but we had sex with you like 9 times, virtually 9 times. I think it was like 16, whatever. So we said, no, no, we're not playing with you, lady, lady, not you, mister. We're staying in this jacuzzi and we're going to drink and we're not going to play because I don't want to.

And then I don't know, I just started talking to her more. And uh I was like, you know, I, I just wanted to be around them more. And I was like, I don't, I don't care that if I don't get to play with her, if you want to have fun, and she wants to have fun, it's not like she's disrespecting me, which they usually do in this situation. That's where I draw the line.

Yeah, that's where we start to get a little bit pissy. So then I was like, hey, hey, lady. Why don't we all go back to the room. And I put it in your hole.

No, I didn't say that. I said, uh, why don't we all go back to the room and you guys can do whatever you want. Don't worry about me. I'll sit off to the side and, uh, I'll just jerk off.

And you know what her response was? Yeah, that sounds fun. First, can we all take showers? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, she was OCD.

Can we take showers? Oh, that's so great. So I loo fed her in the shower, right? And then I got there and they were like, Are you going to shower?

And I'm like, I, I'm not touching anyone, so I don't need to. My hand and my dick are perfectly OK with jacuzzi. Everybody's taking showers. I'm like, What do I need to take a shower for?

It doesn't, it doesn't matter, right? So I showered. Because I wanted to be clean for myself. Sure.

What you guys start going at it on the bed, which I have to say, look, I, I was a lot more aroused by watching YouTube than I usually am. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, there's, um, if, if a, if a woman is into it, right, and I don't think it necessarily means like Mentally, I'm, I'm, oh, yeah, I think about women or whatever.

It's that comfortable, like when you're comfortable with making out with women, just letting it go and letting it start, then it gets hotter for me. And that's why I got really turned. Super wet. Like, no, you were disgusting.

But shut up. But here's the thing, and I'll probably take shit from our listener for saying this because I feel like it's kind of abnormal. You're going to get a strongly worded letter. I hope so.

OK, go. I'd like to receive anything from anyone. So. I, you know, I used to really like watching you with another woman is exciting.

However, it was a lot more exciting when we first got into the lifestyle. I'm not bored of it. Get it. I know where you're going, but I'm just a little like, man, visually you've seen it, visually I've seen, and not only from you all around the resort, right?

It's always like women, women, women on women on women on women sucking on her tits, double-sided dildo, and that doesn't really happen. But yeah, I mean, it just, it's just very frequent. It's not a go to in my head anymore. That was really hot watching was hot.

So you want to know the next part when we rolled over and we're like, why are you guys sitting on the sofa and like then almost the next room like just looked up from each other like, yeah, I just, I never intended hands. I just never, I never intended. I was like I was gonna. Let it be a threesome because I'm a giving.

I hate that when you say do that. I'm like, why are you so far away? Yeah, but I was just going to let it be a threesome and I was just going to sit over there and masturbate like I was watching virtual reality 3D porn. I would have rather you stood on the side of the bed and masturbated like creepy guy.

I'm lazy though. I'm like it's standing and masturbating. I know, as I was standing all day. You're unbelievable.

So, so, um, I think what happened was, is because I was on the sidelines on the bench, I got, I got my little bottle. I got my little spot. I was like, I'm just gonna sit on the sidelines and jerk off and drink Gatorade. That's what I'm gonna do.

But I think because I did that, he thought, oh, well, I can't play because he's not near. So I, and then I was like, go, go, go, my friend, go have fun. Just get home before 11. I didn't say that part.

So then you guys actually called us over to the bed. Yeah. So then I was like, all right, well, I'm just gonna, I'll just jerk off there. Same principle, just different location.

I'm good at logistics. Right. So then I sat on the bed. Then what happened?

I don't know what boundaries started to be pushed a little bit, right? Oh, right. So, you know, so things started getting intertwined a little bit, and I fucked the shit out of her. I wish the story ended like that, but it didn't.

I was trying to get her to deep. I was trying to teach her how to deep throat. Yeah, but no, there was like a little bit of touching. I, I had a good time.

How did you feel about it? No, it was super fun. I, the only thing that I don't like is when I'm Keeping track of you and I'm trying to be in the middle of like making out with her alone on the bed because we don't play alone, so it was like I was into it, but then my brain is like, oh, it's been a few minutes. Where is he?

Yeah, but I took myself out of the equation, so you shouldn't be worrying about me. But it doesn't help even if you were like, I'm going to sit over here. I'd still want to just check in with you. What if I was just in the corner watching old episodes of Matt Locke?

Would that have been weird? Oh God, if you looked up and I was like, I love this episode. Oh God. Oh, and by the way, they're texting me as we speak, so they're still at the resort.

I don't know how this is going to end. They're gonna leave. They're gonna extend. No, they're not extending, but they're trying to get a late checkout so they could take the class tomorrow.

Yeah, they're gonna try to take the workshop tomorrow, but if I, that's all I get to see. Because I would actually like to spend a little more time with them, even though I know that I still can't touch her. Maybe that's why. Probably, probably.

I bet that's what it is. That is Dante's definition of hell, proximity without intimacy. So it's kind of what we have. It's a little bit of torture.

I'm going to pretend you didn't say that. Oh, Um, so yeah, I would like to see them again. Now. Listen, I have a feeling inside of my head they want nothing to do with us.

I think we were like, they checked us off. Like that's what you thought after the, like the after the whole thing, because then we had to go grab something to eat. Yeah, because here's where my feelings get all fucked up, right, because after all these years and everybody sees my face and they're like, what a coldhearted dick. I have all of these feelings going on inside of me, right?

You in my in my, huh, you're a delicate flower, yeah, in my heart spot, right. So I have all these feelings going on. And then afterwards, I want to sit them down and be like, Are you OK? Did everything go your way?

Is there anything else we can do for you? But that's not always true. It's if I feel like they're not communicating, because some people are like, that was fucking awesome. And we high five, and then you're like, you feel secure.

But if it's just a little bit of quietness, too much quietness, then I want to hang around because I want to know, oh, are we OK? And you would think I wouldn't care. But, but I don't know, but they're at the resort right now, and I wanted to spend more time with them. Do you think they're going to go after Millie, my girlfriend?

Oh, tonight's the night. Tonight is Millie night. Millie's there right now. She's probably stretching.

Oh, does she stretch? I don't. I think so. In my mind she stretches.

Yeah, no, I've seen her. She does stretch. Oh, Millie, maybe we should go up there and see Milly. I can't.

I'm so oily and gross and sweaty. Anyway, so, but you came, he came, she came, I think several times. I never came. You didn't come.

Were you there? Why did you not come? What do you mean why did I not come? Did he come inside her?

No, he was standing on. Top of her looking down on her and came on top of her boobs. Oh, right. Where the fuck were you?

I was coming evidently. I don't know why didn't you come. I thought you came. I'm so you don't even remember the ending.

No. Oh my God, I'm sorry. It's just like becomes a whirlwind of fun. What room are you in?

25. 25. That's, that's a good number. It's a prime number.

It's not prime, is it? a prime. I don't know. I don't even know that, so she's smarter than me.

You said divisible and square. I don't, I don't know much about math, but listen, this is what I do know. You came into this resort, Mrs. 25, and you were talking to us, and we had quickly discussed and discovered that you were only attracted to me and.

What we want to know is what it's like for you when you come to a resort that is just couples and you're only attracted to one. Of the people in that party, so if you're into threesomes and threesomes are sort of your jam, we just tie you up and put you in the corner. Wait, we'll keep one hand free. Yes, no.

Should we put a ball gag in too? Yes, so I get. I get a ball gag. Oh yeah, you can totally have a ball.

Did you bring one with you? And yeah, and a choker. You brought a choker and a ball gag. What?

Why am I finding this out5? Why are you holding out? Yeah, room 25. I tried to get 77.

They said it wasn't the middle. That's not. They've closed that room down, but seriously, it's fucking saved time. Listen, I'm gonna go.

I'm gonna go back to the ball gag. Have you ever been in a situation where you have felt like the third wheel? Of course. Is that a yes, Mr.

25? Yes. Well, listen, I, I appreciate you crushing on me so much this week while you guys were. It was so I loved getting to meet you.

You did get to meet me. I'm sorry that I'm married and I can't travel further with you guys. I would love to. You should leave your wife behind.

See, that's, that's the whole root of this conversation. The third wheel. This is how it happens. This is how it happens.

And he goes, I'm going to go sandwich. Yes. We're actually, we're we're going to put her in the trunk and take her with us. Great idea.

So find out in the next episode what happens when they followed through and they kidnapped us for at least 2 days. They held us captive in Tulum. So, all right, my beautiful wife, tell our listener what social media gadgets we're on this month. We are on Instagram and Twitter and Facebook, all under Room 77 podcasts.

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